Re: [SystemSafety] Separating critical software modules from non-critical software modules

From: Peter Bishop < >
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:54:00 +0100


Relatively simple schedulers have been used like the Siemens (now Areva TXS). But there is a strong emphasis on determinism (maximum time slots per process) separate i-o modules, etc. Also the applications are often defined at a higher level using a function block language which reduces the scope for application level errors.

Peter

Ignacio González (Eliop) wrote:
> Peter, I come from the railway world. In nuclear, you cannot even use an
> OS with safe partitioning, Arinc-style, hypervisors, etc.?
>
>
>
>
> With no physical separation you need to be very sure that
> "non-safety" cannot affect safety (overwriting "safe" memory,
> crashing the system, hogging cpu, comms...)
> In nuclear standards, anything in the same box has to be implemented
> to the level of the most critical function.
>
> Peter Bishop
>
>
> <mailto:grcreech_at_xxxxxx >
> Malcolm,
>
> I agree that for small devices it may be difficult to provide or
> prove separation between safety and non-safety and therefore all
> needs to be considered safety in these cases.
>
> However, I am also a firm believer that removing complexity
> increases safety. If I can prove, say 50% of the code, cannot
> affect safety then I can focus on the 50% that does and not get
> distracted on the areas that have less effect.
>
> Just because there is a safety & non-safety section, doesn’t
> mean that the programming style needs to be different, after all
> even in the non-safety section quality is important for any
> product and the non-safety sections obviously need to be in the
> document structure clearly documented as non-safety.
>
> Once the segregation is in place it has several benefits, for
> example, although all code needs to be reviewed & tested (from a
> quality point of view) why focus on software that could be
> classed as black channel software components where the safety
> aspect is assured elsewhere, the focus can be where it is
> needed, complexity is reduced and the amount of important safety
> code is reduced.
>
> This method has the added benefit that proven in use / COTS
> firmware can be used in the non-safety area knowing that it is
> unlikely to affect the safety firmware.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Gerry Creech
>
>
>
>
> From: "Watts Malcolm (AE/ENG11-AU)"
> Date: 24/07/2013 02:01
> Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] Separating critical software
> modules from non-critical software modules
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> Our exerience in automotive is that it is effectively impossible
> for most automotive products to have the kind of separation José
> speaks of; for example “two separate board groups”. Much of our
> software (although not SIL4 – often SIL2 equivalent) runs on a
> single micro in a single device. Very high integrity product
> might have 2 independent micros in a single enclosure, with some
> redundancy of function in other devices in the vehicle (for
> example, data redundancy). Many of the micros used do not have
> memory-protection units, and micros may be running only
> scheduling executives, not full operating systems (in the
> interests of simplicity, proven field use, and testability). In
> this circumstance, it makes the most sense (to me) to develop
> all of the software in the micro to the highest integrity level
> required by any component.
>
> I share the concerns raised in to Myriam’s post; as a matter of
> practicality, few developers are feasibly able to swap back and
> forth between “safety” and “no-safety” development methodologies
> (to say nothing of the cost and complexity of maintaining two
> sets of procedures, two sets of training, duplicated QA, the
> complexity of planning and tracking, and so on. To answer
> Myriam’s rhetorical question; no, for me it does not make sense
> that developers can swap back and forward between two different
> mindsets without mistakes, and no, it does not make much sense
> that tightly-coupled modules can be part of significantly
> different lifecycles without adverse effects on interfaces,
> assumptions, change management and quality requirements. [This
> is the same problem faced when incorporating 3^rd -party
> components. There’s a reason that such a high proportion of
> defects are in the interfaces].
>
> The more conservative approach (taking into account possible
> changes, and mistakes in understanding whether a component or
> its interface is safety-relevant or not, under given
> circumstances, is to develop all software components (in
> tightly-coupled products typical of automotive) to the
> highest-applicable integrity level.
>
> The benefit you get (in my opinion) is reduced risk due to
> unexpected interference between modules, reduce risk due to
> systematic defects, reduced risk due to human-factors effects
> from the developers, reduced cost due to consistency, and
> better/faster impact analysis on change.
>
> The flip side is increased cost and effort for all components
> (and their integration ?) that could otherwise have been
> considered “non-safety-relevant”. This really is a serious
> disadvantage of the approach. Ignacio mentioned that this may
> be practical only for small teams and “small software”. Does
> anyone know of any research in this area ?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mal.
> Mal Watts ^
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> Behalf Of *José Faria*
> Sent:* Tuesday, 23 July 2013 7:58 PM*
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> Cc:* systemsafety_at_xxxxxx > Subject:* Re: [SystemSafety] Separating critical software
> modules from non-critical software modules
>
> Myriam,
>
> Yes, it is a valid approach. Valid meaning both technically
> feasible and acceptable by certification authorities. As Gerry
> said, the fundamental issue is to demonstrate that the lower SIL
> level part cannot compromise the higher level part.
>
> In the systems I've worked the basic architecture solution was
> to have 2 separate board groups for the SIL4 and SIL0 software.
> In such a solution, you can find the guidance for the safety
> analysis of the communication protocol between the two boards in
> EN 50159 Annex A.
>
> Best,
> José
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> For any software development project, many software modules are
> involved, where some are defined as safety critical, others are
> not. For example, in railway signaling, communications modules
> are likely to be defined as critical, whereas other modules such
> as those involving data storage or other basic functions are
> not. An analysis may be performed with the objective of
> demonstrating that the safety critical modules are entirely
> independent from the non critical modules, leading to the
> conclusion that the application of a programming standard for
> safety critical software is only required for those modules
> defined as safety critical (note the phrase “with the objective
> of demonstrating…”; I would hesitate before drawing the
> conclusion that the analysis really demonstrates what it is
> supposed to demonstrate).
>
> In my field the EN 50128 would be applied, however, it could be
> any standard for safety critical software. Thus, the software is
> developed applying the standard only to the modules which have
> been defined as “safety critical”. In order to supposedly save
> time/money, etc., the rest of the modules are developed as
> non-critical software, either as SIL 0 functions or according to
> a standard programming standard. My question is whether such an
> approach is really valid, given that the application of a safety
> critical standard does not only involve the application of
> specific language features, it involves an entire development
> life cycle, and I find it difficult to see how the modules
> defined as “non-critical” then do not form part of that life
> cycle. I’m not saying it is not valid, but I would like to know
> how others see this.
>
> Additionally, if the same programmers are involved in the
> programming of both critical and non-critical modules, does it
> really make sense that they only pay attention to the features
> required for safety critical software when programming the
> critical modules, and modify their programming style for the
> rest of the modules (or revert back to their “usual” style)?
> These questions also depend on what you consider as critical,
> for example, for a control system with a HMI, you could only
> consider communication modules critical, however, you need a GUI
> to display the status of the elements an operator has to control
> correctly. Some operations performed by the operator may not
> have the potential to generate a hazard with a high severity
> level, because there are mitigations in place. However, that
> doesn’t necessarily mean that the software responsible for
> displaying the information should not be programmed according to
> a safety critical standard. I am aware that these questions
> don’t have an “easy” answer; any opinions would be appreciated.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Myriam.
>
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