Re: [SystemSafety] Spanish train crash

From: Dick Selwood < >
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:03:07 +0100

Chris' posting crossed with mine

But it is worth remembering that the media are often rely on "guidance" in what to write, and it is just possible that there might be interested parties talking to the press for whom blaming the driver is a very useful way to hide the infrastructure weakness

ON PBLs point here about "Crime scene", there has been a tendency, especially in the immediate post-privitisation period, to treat rail accident sites in Britain as crime scenes, closing the railway for several days, while the priority for a road traffic accident seems the opposite - to get the scene recorded and cleared to get the traffic running as soon as possible. There was pressure to change the rail approach, but whether this was successful is difficult to say - as fortunately there has not been a major accident on Britain's railways since Potters Bar in 2004


On 29/07/2013 13:54, Peter Bernard Ladkin wrote:
> On 7/29/13 1:40 PM, Chris Dale wrote:
>> The (seemingly) media-led frenzy to find someone to blame is an
>> obstacle to
>> the prevention of future accidents.
> Yes, but that word "seemingly" is important. I would say rather than
> it is enjoined by the legal system. In Germany, France and Spain, as
> well as some other countries, the legal system is required to
> ascertain if any crime has been committed and has priority in
> impounding evidence. The British investigators involved in the
> Concorde Paris crash complained publicly about how their work was
> hindered.
> This has been perceived to hinder the technical investigation of
> aviation accidents so much that in 2006 (or was it 2007?) the Flight
> Safety Foundation, the U.K. Royal Aeronautical Society, the French
> Academie Nationale de l'Air and the Civil Air Navigation Services
> Organisation issued a joint statement deploring the "criminalisation"
> of air accident investigations and listing the disadvantages (see
> Slide 31 of
> , which also includes examples from Taiwan, Brazil and Switzerland).
> Prof. Peter Bernard Ladkin, Faculty of Technology, University of
> Bielefeld, 33594 Bielefeld, Germany
> Tel+msg +49 (0)521 880 7319
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