Re: [SystemSafety] Safety Case Standards and Experience

From: jean-louis Boulanger < >
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:14:15 +0100


Hello
I am an ISA in railway domain and i assessed many safetycase On the railway domain the 50129 introduced the structure and the content of the safetycase
The safetycase is ALSTOM used when you request the autorisation for opération of new line

Le mercredi 5 février 2014, Les Chambers <les_at_xxxxxx

> Peter
>
> Many thanks for this list. What a stout fellow you are. It's a great
> reference or for anyone attempting to identify the current
> "state-of-the-art" in safety cases.
>
> I encourage anyone on the list who is aware of a safety case deliverable
> or process standard, not identified here, to add to this thread.
>
> Further, I encourage anyone with experience of preparing a safety case to
> give us their thoughts.
>
> Also, is anyone aware of system level product standards that may exist in
> any application domain. Standards that mandate various high-level design
> approaches as mentioned in Nancy's article ["Product: Specific design
> features are required, which may be (a) specific designs or (b) more
> general features such as fail-safe design or the use of protection
> systems."]. By "system level" I mean pertaining to the overall design of
> the system, not a component thereof. I would call an electrical
> installation a component.
>
> I am aware of texts such as "P. Clements et al., Documenting Software
> Architectures: Views and Beyond, 2nd ed., Pearson Education, 2010" but have
> not seen any ISO/IEC/CENELEC/DoD or other standards, in the public domain,
> that could be called out in a development contract or used to certify
> generic classes of systems. For these to be useful they need to be specific
> enough to support a comply/not comply judgement. Because design approaches
> are often tied to company intellectual property you don't often see this
> stuff in the public domain. For example, in my chemical processing days,
> the design of a latex reactor control system, at least at the strategic
> level, was a copy and paste exercise. I could tell you about it but then
> I'd have to kill you.
>
> In another life I spent a year leafing through the American Nuclear
> Regulatory Commission standards with the objective of developing a NUREG
> compliant system development methodology for a control system that would
> perform emergency reactor shutdown. I did not encounter any constraints or
> guidelines on the design approach. But that was some time ago.
>
> I look forward to any and all contributions.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> From Prof. Peter Bernard Ladkin, Faculty of Technology, University of
> Bielefeld, 33594 Bielefeld, Germany
>
> Oh, my!
>
> A random Google search for the term "safety case" is as least as likely to
> turn up this discussion
> as anything else. That's not necessarily how you go about finding out what
> the term might mean. (My
> search turns up Nancy's paper in the first fifteen. Given the current
> discussion, I am tempted to
> regard that as *proof* that such a search isn't going to tell you what the
> term might mean :-) ).
>
> A *goal-oriented* (rather than random Google) search in the WWW for the
> notion of "safety case"
> could profitably start with the UK HSE, since Lord Cullen is the source
> both for the original
> recommendation concerning the notion of "Safety Case", in those words, and
> the origin of the HSE.
>
> One finds, on searching the HSE WWW site for the term "safety case",
> references to the legislation
> for offshore oil/gas installations, namely the England&Wales law known as
> Offshore Installations
> (Safety Case) Regulations 2005 (there are earlier versions). This law is
> *very prescriptive* as to
> what has to be included in an offshore installation Safety Case - you can
> read it at
> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/3117/schedule/2/made
>
> One also finds references to the legislation for railways, namely the
> England&Wales law known as
> Railways (Safety Case) Regulations 2003 (there are earlier versions). This
> law is *prescriptive* as
> to what has to be included in a railway Safety Case - you can read it at
> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/579/contents/made
>
> It should be evident that a Safety Case for an offshore installation and a
> Safety Case for a railway
> are *two different things*, because these two enterprises use different
> kit: pipes and pumps and
> drills versus rails and locomotives and carriages. So rather than
> > a term that has been defined for decades and is widely used to have a
> specific meaning
> there are at least two specific meanings in English law alone.
>
> It is also absurd to suggest that either of these Safety Cases is just
> some argument put together to
> fulfil a goal-oriented safety standard. First, they are not there to
> fulfil any standard, they are
> the law of England and Wales (I say again: standards aren't laws). Second,
> they are *prescriptive* -
> what shall be in a Safety Case designated as such in these industries is
> specified precisely in the
> law.
>
> So, sticking with Safety Cases with upper-case initial letters (or at
> least with mid-size initials),
> here is the definition of a Safety Case for the nuclear industry in
> Britain (notice this is not a
> law - the ONR surveys installations in Britain, and Britain has three
> separate legal regimes:
> England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland)
>
> [begin quote from: Purpose and Scope of Safety Cases NS-TAST-GD-051
> Revision 3]
>
> 5. DEFINITION OF A NUCLEAR SAFETY CASE
> 5.1. A nuclear safety case is a set of documents that describe the
> radiological hazards in terms of
> a facility or site and modes of operation (including potential undesired
> modes) and the measures
> that prevent or mitigate against harm being incurred. The safety case
> should provide a coherent
> demonstration that relevant standards have been met and that risks to
> persons have been reduced to
> as low as reasonably practicable (ALARP).
>
> [end quote]
>
> So there is, already, the third meaning. (To spell it out: neither of the
> previous two regulations
> "describe the radiological hazards" of a railway or an offshore
> installation.) It is obviously not
> as prescriptive as the first two, but it is still prescriptive.
>
> So let's move to a generic definition, as embodied in a standard which is,
> by the agreement forming
> the European Union, the standard governing safety related electronic
> systems for railway signalling
> in 28 European countries (EN 50129:2003, the document referenced by Les
> Chambers, in case readers
> haven't pursued the link):
>
> [begin quote EN 50129:2003 Section 3 Terms and Definitions]
>
> 3.1.49 safety case
> the documented demonstration that the product complies with the specified
> safety requirements
>
> [end quote]
>
> This is obviously a fourth definition, since it makes no reference to
> pipes&pumps and stuff, or to
> rails&locomotives and stuff, or to radiological hazards of a facility and
> stuff. Unlike the first
> three definitions, it is not prescriptive at all.
>
> Then there is my definition, which might as well be this: a rigorous
> argument, given in detail in a
> specified set of documents which include all the evidence used in the
> argument, that a system is
> acceptably safe, both when it is operating and when it is not operating.
>
> Notice that there is no requirement that all these documents have to
> reside in one place. It covers
> FAA and EASA certification practices and it is intended to cover the
> capital-letter Safety Case
> regimes above with a suitable interpretation of "acceptably safe".
>
> I'll leave it as an exercise to point out the differences between my
> definition and the previous four.
>
> Here's another, from
>
> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/27585/SMP12v22final.pdf
>
> [begin quote UK MoD SMP 12 Version 22, citing Def Stan 00-56 Version 4]
>
> A structured argument, supported by a body of evidence that provides a
> compelling, comprehensible
> and valid case that a system is safe for a given application in a given
> environment.
>
> [end quote]
>
> So, unlike offshore installations or UK railways, a given MoD system might
> have a plethora of safety
> cases, if there are a plethora of applications in a plethora of
> environments. As well as depending
> on the possibly-varying meaning of the system property "safe". (I'd guess
> this is intended to mean
> something similar to my term "acceptably safe".)
>
> So much for "widely used to have a specific meaning"! More accurate would
> be to use the plural. It
> should also be evident that whether a safety case is narrowly prescriptive
> or more free in form
> depends on which industry, regulation and country you might be talking
> about.
>
> It's perfectly possible for there to be a good argument that the regime in
> Offshore Installations
> (Safety Case) Regulations 2003 in England & Wales "would not work" in the
> US oil/gas industry, as
> Nancy has indicated she believes. Such an argument would not obviously
> generalise to, say, FAA
> civilian aerospace certification documentation, which also forms a safety
> case - indeed people like
> me would say that that civilian aerospace safety cases are pretty good in
> general, while pointing
> out that they are by no means perfect, indeed it is possible to think that
> overall they are pretty
> good but specifically concerning avionics SW they are pretty poor.
>
> It is also possible to consider FAA safety cases de re free-form (a
> manufacturer can provide what
> evidence it wants to establish a certification goal set by negotiation
> between regulator and
> manufacturer, for example on certification of lithium-ion batteries for
> the Boeing 787) and de facto
> prescriptive (if manufacturers have provided such-and-such documentation
> for successful
> certification of kit X in the past, then it is pretty much de rigeur that
> a manufacturer will have
> to provide at least the equivalent of that for future kit-X certification
> proceedings. The
> certification requirements, and therefore the recertification
> documentation, after the Boeing 787
> battery fires were *modified* from what they had been, not thrown away and
> rewritten).
>
> PBL
>
> Prof. Peter Bernard Ladkin, Faculty of Technology, University of
> Bielefeld, 33594 Bielefeld, Germany
> Tel+msg +49 (0)521 880 7319 www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de
>
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