Re: [SystemSafety] MH370

From: Dick Selwood < >
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:42:31 +0000

Looks as though there was indeed a lot of hidden information

The communications systems of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 were deliberately disabled, Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak has said.

According to satellite and radar evidence, he said, the plane then changed course and could have continued flying for a further seven hours.

He said the "movements are consistent with the deliberate action of someone on the plane".

... near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the plane's transponder - which emits an identifying signal - was switched off, he said.

According to a military radar, the flight then turned and flew back over Malaysia before turning north-west.

A satellite was able to pick up a signal from the plane for some seven hours after it lost radar contact, although it was unable to give a precise location, Mr Razak said.

He went on to say that based on this new data, investigators "have determined the plane's last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors":

For some reason - a sense of relief that it looks like human intervention rather than a system failure.


On 14/03/2014 20:17, Peter Bernard Ladkin wrote:
> The picture is more coherent than it seems. I wrote about this extensively on a specialist list earlier today, after looking at what was said yesterday. Three different news outlets in the US had different information from US intelligence sources, but were all painting a coherent picture.
> NBA said, citing a US intelligence source, that no explosion-type event had been seen. Sudden catastrophic destruction is the only scenario, apart from human intervention, consistent with the ADS-B messages doing what they did. SBIR is a reliable asset; if something happened one would have expected it to show up.
> The WSJ had info that "pings", which I interpret as some sort of attempting electronic handshaking, continued for a number of hours beyond the Malaysian "point of last contact". The WSJ has not withdrawn, but has rather modified and elaborated, this proposal.
> Reuters suggested that some further electronic communications had contained position, altitude, speed and bearing info, and constructed a route of continued flight between waypoints to the west of the Malaysian peninsula. This route in map form was widely distributed on the usual media.
> Inmarsat has recently told a Guardian reporter, Gwyn Topham, that it was getting "pings" for hours afterwards. They didn't contain position or altitude info, but presumably triangulation-type analysis will yield some suggestion.
> All the evidence from yesterday and today points towards deliberate intervention in the planned flight; none of it has been discredited and some of it has been elaborated. RR is party to the investigation, as the engine manufacturer, and deferred to the Malaysian lead when asked about possible communications it may have received after the Malaysian "point of last contact". Inmarsat is not party to the investigation and I think its comment to Topham is decisive.
> I think we can assume that, for a few days preceding the anonymous comment to the WSJ, people in places with significant intelligence assets have been furiously evaluating all they have. I wouldn't be surprised to find out some agency has a very good idea exactly where the airplane is.
> If it's in the Indian Ocean, then it's highly likely that would have been deliberate - it had enough fuel to achieve landfall in that direction and then some.
> Prof. Peter Bernard Ladkin, University of Bielefeld and Causalis Limited
>> On 14 Mar 2014, at 20:46, "Chris Hills " <safetyyork_at_xxxxxx >>
>> OK, OK... It's Friday. I will say it: They were abducted by aliens :-)
>> (and no one can prove me wrong :-)
>> I think there is a lot of speculation and fragmented data from disjointed sources (not to mention political shenanigans to some extent and Newspaper guesswork I saw something in passing about warnings from a US watchdog about cracks in the ac 6 months ago) .
>> I think it will be a while before all the *reliable* data ends up in one place and a coherent picture is put together. By which time any wreckage is going to be well and truly dispersed and it will be back to a needle in a haystack, all be it a smaller haystack. So as with AF447 it is going to be, I think, quite some time, if ever, before we get any real idea of what happened.
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