Re: [SystemSafety] Language issues, control systems

From: M Mencke < >
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:51:38 +0200


The SIL functions of the product are not likely to be directly related to the HMI. However, for me it is still an interesting subject to know how language issues are dealt with. Regards, Myriam. El 27/04/2015 17:40, <andy_at_xxxxxx

> Having relocated from the UK to Canada a few years ago, I regularly
> experience the disconnects between (English and Canadian English),
> (Canadian English and Canadian French) AND (Canadian French and French)!
>
>
> RICQUE Bertrand (SAGEM DEFENSE SECURITE) <bertrand.ricque_at_xxxxxx > wrote ..
> > Hard to achieve between french and english !
> >
> > Well known example: Israel will evacuate occupied territories.
> >
> > More funny, the IEC 61508 standard itself. Just look how "performance
> test" and
> > "performance" is translated into French all along the standard. If you
> feel somewhat
> > depressed, read it, and you will feel much better after !
> >
> > Bertrand Ricque
> > Program Manager
> > Optronics and Defence Division
> > Sights Program
> > Mob : +33 6 87 47 84 64
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> > Bertrand.ricque_at_xxxxxx > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: systemsafety-bounces_at_xxxxxx > systemsafety-bounces_at_xxxxxx > > On Behalf Of andy_at_xxxxxx > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:19 PM
> > To: systemsafety_at_xxxxxx > > Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] Language issues, control systems
> >
> > In a single language case, you need the assurance that the natural
> language conveys
> > the desired meaning.
> >
> > In the dual-language case, you need the assurance that each natural
> language conveys
> > the desired meaning. Should there be an additional consideration to
> ensure consistency
> > of the two languages, i.e. if both were translated to a third language
> they would
> > result in the same meaning.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > Martyn Thomas <martyn_at_xxxxxx > > > Why is this different from the single language case? In either
> > > situation, do you not need assurance that the natural language conveys
> > > the desired meaning to the relevant humans?
> > >
> > > Martyn
> > >
> > > On 27/04/2015 15:19, M Mencke wrote:
> > > > Or to put things simply: Imagine you are developing a product in
> > > > England for a client in "anywhere" (Russia, France, China, anywhere)
> > > > and this client wants the system to be usable by human operators
> > > > both in English and in the native language of the country. How do
> > > > you deal with the Safety issues of the translation of the HMI? How
> > > > is this usually done? Is there a standard/accepted way?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Myriam.
> > >
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