Re: [SystemSafety] Stupid Software Errors [was: Overflow......]

From: David Haworth < >
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 09:29:07 +0200


On 2015-05-05 09:03:31 +0200, Peter Bernard Ladkin wrote:
> After fifty years of programs not handling date and time correctly,
> even according to their own
> requirements, including the single most expensive anomaly in history
> coming in at well over
> $300bn, it surely requires heroic nonchalance to suggest
> > .... this is a non-issue.

I've also seen my fair share of time/date problems, including the impending Year 2038 bug (which no-one seems to be worrying much about).

I also notice that 248 days is pretty well exactly the range of a 32-bit signed integer incremented as 10ms intervals. So this is quite emphatically *not* a time/date issue, but an uptime issue.

Many control systems have specified maximum uptimes. They often rely on checks and tests performed at startup or shutdown to detect latent hardware failures. Destructive RAM tests are a prime example of things that cannot be done properly during operation.

I also notice that the press reports state that the systems "shut themselves down", not "crash", which implies (to me at least) that there is at least some error detection and handling going on.

So, in the absence of any detailed technical information about the requirements, design, implementation, service documentation, operational manuals etc. about these systems, I stand by my opinion until facts emerge that prove me wrong.

There are worse things to worry about.


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