Re: [SystemSafety] [EC 61508 and cybersecurity

From: Andy Ashworth < >
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 07:27:25 -0400


I have previously held the position of safety assurance manager at a nuclear research laboratory. While my team was required to demonstrate that the consequences of any credible accident would not be unacceptable, my colleagues in the security team regarded our analysis as a security threat since we were identifying potential worst scenarios for any deliberate attack.

There is definitely a contradiction between safety and security I terms of openness - for safety we want to be seen to be safe, but he security world requires us to hide the specific vulnerabilities of our systems.

Andy

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> On Jun 1, 2015, at 07:06, RICQUE Bertrand (SAGEM DEFENSE SECURITE) <bertrand.ricque_at_xxxxxx >
> It is not that simple.
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> Safety is a roughly 2D problem ( probability x consequence), the two dimensions being usually stable along the unique system timescale.
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> Security is a 3D problem with sub dimensions (attacker(motivation, capability), vulnerability(inherent, introduced), consequence), these dimensions being variable along two different timescales (target system timescale, attacker timescale).
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> From: systemsafety-bounces_at_xxxxxx > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:50 PM
> To: martyn_at_xxxxxx > Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] [EC 61508 and cybersecurity
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> I have always though that safety and security are two sides of the same coin. Often it is just a difference of emphasis or wording but the requirements are very similar if not the same.
> The trouble is “cyber security” is the new buzzword so we need a standard for it….. Surely it is better build on 61508 for something that is both safe and secure?
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> Or do you want something that is secure but unsafe? J
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> From: systemsafety-bounces_at_xxxxxx > Sent: 01 June 2015 10:09
> To: systemsafety_at_xxxxxx > Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] [EC 61508 and cybersecurity
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> Where can I find details of the content of IEC 62443, and of the IEC workgroup?
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> Martyn
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> On 01/06/2015 09:42, RICQUE Bertrand (SAGEM DEFENSE SECURITE) wrote:
> There is currently an IEC workgroup on what to do with IEC 61508 and cybersecurity (IEC 62443). The topic is thus not ignored.
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